Survivor Title questions...Help! - Guild Wars Forums

DeathandtheHealing · Dec 08, 2006, 12:23 AM // 00:23

Okay so I made a factions monk cause I love the hair styles they have... But I made it to lvl 20 without noticing i have the survivor title lol. I wanted to use the elite skill capture way, of capping all these new elites in elona. But the problem is I cant change my profession because I am not ascended

And the elites run out fast in the earlier part of elona.

But is there another way to get the profession trader to let me change? Like get r7 sunspear?
or.......
do I have to risk my title and do vishuna square then the weh no su mission? think someone could do those mission if I just stood in a safe place?

dansamy · Dec 08, 2006, 12:36 AM // 00:36

You should be able to ascend the old fashioned way in tyria. It's safer, especially since you can take heroes through the desert missions.

Bo Azum · Dec 08, 2006, 12:47 AM // 00:47

As far as I know, no there is not another way.

I'm afraid you need to risk the title. But in the end, it ain't that hard to do those missions. Vizunah Square can be hazardous, but just make sure you are not targeted, and others can take care of the aggro. As monk, it's well to do to stay out of the fray.

Don't go pugging, is my advice. As for Vizunah, try to go for all henchies on other side, and a few friends/guildies on yours. Worked like a charm for me.

The one after (Napui Quarter, sp), you get the control back, so take that one slowly, again don´t take the aggro yourself, and you should be fine.

After, to get profession changer in Elona, you need to some primary quests, but those are like a walk in the park...

After that, happy capping

-Edit: I wasn´t sure about if you could get the status of ascended in Tyria, as a Canthan character. Also, I didn´t take heroes in consideration :P

dansamy · Dec 08, 2006, 01:04 AM // 01:04

You can. The first rit FoW armors posted were obtained via Ascension in Tyria and a trip to FoW via ToA. Entry to ToA requires being Ascended or Weh No Su. I guess the Elonian equivalent is Sunspear General, but I am not entirely certain.

DeathandtheHealing · Dec 08, 2006, 01:16 AM // 01:16

well the problem is, i'm from cathan on that character and getting to the crystal desert and all those other missions+ascesion is really annoying >_<

but I know that you get get it in any chapter, but do u think if i just get r7 i could change the profession?

Thats really my easiest thing to get right now as i'm in elona lvling my heroes.
have 200,000 xp as of now.

so my real question is r7=to ascended in other chapters? cause if its not! lol

Thanks
~Kate

wetsparks · Dec 08, 2006, 02:07 AM // 02:07

Your rank has nothing to do with ascending or being able to change your secondary profession. The profession changer in Nightfall is in the Command Post just to the north of the Sunspear Sanctuarry and you are able to change your secondary profession there. If, for some reason he isnt there, do a couple quests that are easy and he will show up.

sykoone · Dec 08, 2006, 02:41 AM // 02:41

In Nightfall, there is no "ascension" like in the other campaigns. Instead, in order to change professions, you must complete the "Building the Base" quests in Sunspear Santcuary in order to gain access to the profession changer. I believe this also qualifies you for entrance to UW and FoW, but I'm not 100% sure.

DeathandtheHealing · Dec 08, 2006, 03:22 AM // 03:22

ok well this is my problem that i said in the first thread.

the changer in the command post wont let me change..... I know in every chapter before NF you have an ascension mission and you can switch chapters and complete the other ascension mission in the different chapters.

however NF doesnt have u do this... instead to progress in the game you need to get r7(only NF characters now.)

oh well i'll just try to get to r7 in sunspear and see if it will let me change...
I would hate to lose this title cause i have to do those lame ass factions missions >_>

Swinging Fists · Dec 08, 2006, 05:52 AM // 05:52

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Originally Posted by DeathandtheHealing

do I have to risk my title and do vishuna square then the weh no su mission? think someone could do those mission if I just stood in a safe place?

Ok, first, what's the point of the title if you're going to "stand in a safe place" while someone else does the work ? This is exactly why people hate the survivor title. Don't be a wuss.

As for ascension and changing professions, if you ascend in Tyria by completing the 3 desert missions (easy) and defeating the doppelganger (easy), you get 50k xp which you don't get for the equivalent work in the other campaigns. Also, if you complete Nahpui Quarter before doing this, you won't get the 50k xp either. Keep that in mind.

As for ascending in Nightfall, you are considered ascended after completing the Hunted! quest, which opens the Sunspear Sanctuary. Try using the profession changer in the Great Temple of Balthazar (with 500g in hand) and see if you can change secondaries there.

DeathandtheHealing · Dec 08, 2006, 08:10 AM // 08:10

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Originally Posted by Swinging Fists

Ok, first, what's the point of the title if you're going to "stand in a safe place" while someone else does the work ? This is exactly why people hate the survivor title. Don't be a wuss.

As for ascension and changing professions, if you ascend in Tyria by completing the 3 desert missions (easy) and defeating the doppelganger (easy), you get 50k xp which you don't get for the equivalent work in the other campaigns. Also, if you complete Nahpui Quarter before doing this, you won't get the 50k xp either. Keep that in mind.

As for ascending in Nightfall, you are considered ascended after completing the Hunted! quest, which opens the Sunspear Sanctuary. Try using the profession changer in the Great Temple of Balthazar (with 500g in hand) and see if you can change secondaries there.

Standing in a safe place would be my guildies helping me... i wouldnt never pug with my survivor title... and wuss? i'm not sure if you would like to throw away the title you've been working so hard to get...

as for going to proph thats a no, then i have to been run to a bunch of places that hardly anyone runs to anymore.... its a pain in the ass.

Temp of balth changer wont let me change, first thing i tried

but once i get to r7 which will be tomorrow i'll do the hunted quest to... then that will see if i am "ascended" or not.

Alex Morningstar · Dec 08, 2006, 08:21 AM // 08:21

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Originally Posted by Swinging Fists

Ok, first, what's the point of the title if you're going to "stand in a safe place" while someone else does the work ? This is exactly why people hate the survivor title. Don't be a wuss.

Monks are supposed to stand in a (relatively) safe place. They are no good if they are busy kiting from enemies, having to heal themselves or dead.

Cass · Dec 08, 2006, 12:25 PM // 12:25

If you can't do Vizunah without dying, the title's not for you IMO. Getting to 200K in Cantha is really easy, and Vizunah is but the very first mission that you can't do while sleeping.
It's ok to be cautious and to plan your moves carefully, but this shouldn't be a big deal. I just don't respect the idea of standing back 'afk' to let guildies do the work (if that was what you meant), which would not be acceptable in more challenging places even.

Clerihew · Dec 08, 2006, 12:51 PM // 12:51

You should be able to complete the factions missions without dying. I took my survivor all the way through prophecies and factions and am still working on the max level. I mostly worked in guild teams or with hench and I made sure to take heal that could be used on myself and stay out of immediate danger. My survivor is an ele/mo and I was always able to fight and contribute to the team without having to quit out more than about twice. As I was with hench or guildies the quitting didn't upset anyone ;P

The only cheat I did was being run to Droks by a guildie to get better armour. It's a lot of fun fighting through the game with a survivor - much more exciting and it forces you to play better.

Good luck with it!

DeathandtheHealing · Dec 08, 2006, 05:34 PM // 17:34

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Originally Posted by Cass

If you can't do Vizunah without dying, the title's not for you IMO. Getting to 200K in Cantha is really easy, and Vizunah is but the very first mission that you can't do while sleeping.
It's ok to be cautious and to plan your moves carefully, but this shouldn't be a big deal. I just don't respect the idea of standing back 'afk' to let guildies do the work (if that was what you meant), which would not be acceptable in more challenging places even.

well my idea was going through elonian missions and be able to change my profession in order to cap all the new elites while getting survivor #2.
It's not that I cant do vizunah without dying, but there always freak happenings that can occur.

Saraphim · Dec 08, 2006, 05:47 PM // 17:47

I've a feeling that Canthans can't ascend in Elona. My lvl 20 unascended Canthan ranger (I didn't feel like doing Viz Sq) has got all the way to Kodash Bazaar, has Sunspear Castellan , Brave Lightbringer, done every side quest / primary quest and mission on the way.

And she still can't change her secondary profession. Bah.

Oh and she can't get into FoW via the Chantry either, so definitely not ascended.

Edit: Actually, sorry she's not up to Castellan yet. That's my other two toons. D'oh! She is General though, and that didn't help.

Kali Ma · Dec 08, 2006, 05:53 PM // 17:53

Complete the fourth mission in Elona, Consulate Docks, and then do the Hunted! quest in Yohlon Haven. At that point, goto the Battle Isles and speak to the profession changer, or get to the Command Post at the Sunspear Sanctuary.

There's really no way to ascend a character and change professions without doing some kind of mission; so it's a risk no matter which way you go. If you have Prophecies and can travel to Lion's Arch, pickup Olias and set him up for MM, and he'll make the Vizunah Square mission much easier.

To Saraphim... was wondering about that. It may be that pseudo-ascension in Elona is only for Nightfall based characters. I've not read that to be the case, nor tried taking a non-ascended character over to Elona, so don't know for sure.

In Prophecies, it's possible to find a runner from LA to Sanctum Cay, then a runner for that mission, to get to the Crystal Desert. However, the four required desert missions for ascension aren't really much safer than the ones in Cantha, and they certainly aren't faster to do.

Kelsey Cain · Dec 08, 2006, 06:16 PM // 18:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeathandtheHealing

Okay so I made a factions monk cause I love the hair styles they have... But I made it to lvl 20 without noticing i have the survivor title lol. I wanted to use the elite skill capture way, of capping all these new elites in elona. But the problem is I cant change my profession because I am not ascended

And the elites run out fast in the earlier part of elona.

But is there another way to get the profession trader to let me change? Like get r7 sunspear?
or.......
do I have to risk my title and do vishuna square then the weh no su mission? think someone could do those mission if I just stood in a safe place?

If you are non elonian you have to ascend through one of the other campaigns to change profession - which means doing Vizunah or desert missions.

Vizunah is the only 'dodgy' mission where it is virually impossible to control your surroundings. You can either stand in a corner and just protect yourself or you can participate and run the risk of suddenly be targetted by multiple casters and do nothing about it before your dead.

I have done the latter with survivor characters in PUG's and died a couple of times at which point I either restarted or was satisfied with Lvl 1 survivor.

As others have said, if you choose the former and just try and avoid everything - do you really deserve the title? and will you gain any sense of accomplishment from achieving lvl2?

Stormcloud · Dec 08, 2006, 06:30 PM // 18:30

Me and my monk friend duo-55 with my survivor monk. Throw up a scroll and hope the Hydra dont interupt Prot spirit :0 LOL

Swinging Fists · Dec 08, 2006, 07:52 PM // 19:52

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Originally Posted by DeathandtheHealing

Standing in a safe place would be my guildies helping me... i'm not sure if you would like to throw away the title you've been working so hard to get...

I don't mean to attack you, but think about what you are saying here. How hard are you really working by standing in a corner with your guildies fighting. It sounds like your guildies are working hard to get it. But, it's your game, you bought it, play how you want.

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Originally Posted by Alex Morningstar

Monks are supposed to stand in a (relatively) safe place. They are no good if they are busy kiting from enemies, having to heal themselves or dead.

Yes, monks aren't tanks. We (well, most of us) know this. But re-read what the OP said and convince me he is talking about normal monk gameplay instead of hiding from danger and riding others' coattails when he says this:

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do I have to risk my title and do vishuna square then the weh no su mission? think someone could do those mission if I just stood in a safe place?

DeathandtheHealing · Dec 08, 2006, 08:51 PM // 20:51

well ya you are attacking me, the only time I would "hide" is only for the 2 factions missions. I've never done that before, okay so shut up about it. I've been going around elona with only heroes+henchies and playing fine.

It's just that mission is a huge pain in the ass because the other team you get is always some moron that dies rite away.

Ya and i'm pretty tired of this Sentimental Crap.... I dont really care if I get a "sense of accomplishment" its a fricken game.

Dec 08, 2006, 12:23 AM // 00:23	#1
DeathandtheHealing Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Guild: In a PVE GUILD YAY! :P Profession: Me/Mo	Survivor Title questions...Help! Okay so I made a factions monk cause I love the hair styles they have... But I made it to lvl 20 without noticing i have the survivor title lol. I wanted to use the elite skill capture way, of capping all these new elites in elona. But the problem is I cant change my profession because I am not ascended And the elites run out fast in the earlier part of elona. But is there another way to get the profession trader to let me change? Like get r7 sunspear? or....... do I have to risk my title and do vishuna square then the weh no su mission? think someone could do those mission if I just stood in a safe place?

Dec 08, 2006, 12:47 AM // 00:47	#3
Bo Azum Academy Page Join Date: May 2006 Guild: Mongoose United Profession: Rt/	As far as I know, no there is not another way. I'm afraid you need to risk the title. But in the end, it ain't that hard to do those missions. Vizunah Square can be hazardous, but just make sure you are not targeted, and others can take care of the aggro. As monk, it's well to do to stay out of the fray. Don't go pugging, is my advice. As for Vizunah, try to go for all henchies on other side, and a few friends/guildies on yours. Worked like a charm for me. The one after (Napui Quarter, sp), you get the control back, so take that one slowly, again don´t take the aggro yourself, and you should be fine. After, to get profession changer in Elona, you need to some primary quests, but those are like a walk in the park... After that, happy capping -Edit: I wasn´t sure about if you could get the status of ascended in Tyria, as a Canthan character. Also, I didn´t take heroes in consideration :P Last edited by Bo Azum; Dec 08, 2006 at 12:50 AM // 00:50..

Dec 08, 2006, 01:04 AM // 01:04	#4
dansamy Chasing Dragons Join Date: May 2005 Location: Lost in La-La Land Guild: LFGuild Profession: Mo/Me	You can. The first rit FoW armors posted were obtained via Ascension in Tyria and a trip to FoW via ToA. Entry to ToA requires being Ascended or Weh No Su. I guess the Elonian equivalent is Sunspear General, but I am not entirely certain. __________________ Former Gladiator's Arena Moderator. Retired. Awaiting GW2.

Dec 08, 2006, 05:47 PM // 17:47	#15
Saraphim Jungle Guide Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: The Hand of Omega [WHO] Profession: E/	I've a feeling that Canthans can't ascend in Elona. My lvl 20 unascended Canthan ranger (I didn't feel like doing Viz Sq) has got all the way to Kodash Bazaar, has Sunspear Castellan , Brave Lightbringer, done every side quest / primary quest and mission on the way. And she still can't change her secondary profession. Bah. Oh and she can't get into FoW via the Chantry either, so definitely not ascended. Edit: Actually, sorry she's not up to Castellan yet. That's my other two toons. D'oh! She is General though, and that didn't help. Last edited by Saraphim; Dec 08, 2006 at 05:55 PM // 17:55..

Dec 08, 2006, 05:53 PM // 17:53	#16
Kali Ma Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2005 Profession: N/Mo	Complete the fourth mission in Elona, Consulate Docks, and then do the Hunted! quest in Yohlon Haven. At that point, goto the Battle Isles and speak to the profession changer, or get to the Command Post at the Sunspear Sanctuary. There's really no way to ascend a character and change professions without doing some kind of mission; so it's a risk no matter which way you go. If you have Prophecies and can travel to Lion's Arch, pickup Olias and set him up for MM, and he'll make the Vizunah Square mission much easier. To Saraphim... was wondering about that. It may be that pseudo-ascension in Elona is only for Nightfall based characters. I've not read that to be the case, nor tried taking a non-ascended character over to Elona, so don't know for sure. In Prophecies, it's possible to find a runner from LA to Sanctum Cay, then a runner for that mission, to get to the Crystal Desert. However, the four required desert missions for ascension aren't really much safer than the ones in Cantha, and they certainly aren't faster to do. Last edited by Kali Ma; Dec 08, 2006 at 05:57 PM // 17:57..

Dec 08, 2006, 12:36 AM // 00:36	#2
dansamy Chasing Dragons Join Date: May 2005 Location: Lost in La-La Land Guild: LFGuild Profession: Mo/Me	You should be able to ascend the old fashioned way in tyria. It's safer, especially since you can take heroes through the desert missions. __________________ Former Gladiator's Arena Moderator. Retired. Awaiting GW2.

Dec 08, 2006, 01:16 AM // 01:16	#5
DeathandtheHealing Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Guild: In a PVE GUILD YAY! :P Profession: Me/Mo	well the problem is, i'm from cathan on that character and getting to the crystal desert and all those other missions+ascesion is really annoying >_< but I know that you get get it in any chapter, but do u think if i just get r7 i could change the profession? Thats really my easiest thing to get right now as i'm in elona lvling my heroes. have 200,000 xp as of now. so my real question is r7=to ascended in other chapters? cause if its not! lol Thanks ~Kate

Dec 08, 2006, 02:07 AM // 02:07	#6
wetsparks Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2006	Your rank has nothing to do with ascending or being able to change your secondary profession. The profession changer in Nightfall is in the Command Post just to the north of the Sunspear Sanctuarry and you are able to change your secondary profession there. If, for some reason he isnt there, do a couple quests that are easy and he will show up.

Dec 08, 2006, 02:41 AM // 02:41	#7
sykoone Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: Mystical Chaos Profession: E/	In Nightfall, there is no "ascension" like in the other campaigns. Instead, in order to change professions, you must complete the "Building the Base" quests in Sunspear Santcuary in order to gain access to the profession changer. I believe this also qualifies you for entrance to UW and FoW, but I'm not 100% sure.

Dec 08, 2006, 03:22 AM // 03:22	#8
DeathandtheHealing Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Guild: In a PVE GUILD YAY! :P Profession: Me/Mo	ok well this is my problem that i said in the first thread. the changer in the command post wont let me change..... I know in every chapter before NF you have an ascension mission and you can switch chapters and complete the other ascension mission in the different chapters. however NF doesnt have u do this... instead to progress in the game you need to get r7(only NF characters now.) oh well i'll just try to get to r7 in sunspear and see if it will let me change... I would hate to lose this title cause i have to do those lame ass factions missions >_>

Dec 08, 2006, 12:25 PM // 12:25	#12
Cass Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2006	If you can't do Vizunah without dying, the title's not for you IMO. Getting to 200K in Cantha is really easy, and Vizunah is but the very first mission that you can't do while sleeping. It's ok to be cautious and to plan your moves carefully, but this shouldn't be a big deal. I just don't respect the idea of standing back 'afk' to let guildies do the work (if that was what you meant), which would not be acceptable in more challenging places even.

Dec 08, 2006, 12:51 PM // 12:51	#13
Clerihew Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: At the bar Guild: Dragons of Ice and Flame [Ice] Profession: Mo/	You should be able to complete the factions missions without dying. I took my survivor all the way through prophecies and factions and am still working on the max level. I mostly worked in guild teams or with hench and I made sure to take heal that could be used on myself and stay out of immediate danger. My survivor is an ele/mo and I was always able to fight and contribute to the team without having to quit out more than about twice. As I was with hench or guildies the quitting didn't upset anyone ;P The only cheat I did was being run to Droks by a guildie to get better armour. It's a lot of fun fighting through the game with a survivor - much more exciting and it forces you to play better. Good luck with it!

Dec 08, 2006, 06:30 PM // 18:30	#18
Stormcloud Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Oregon, USA	Me and my monk friend duo-55 with my survivor monk. Throw up a scroll and hope the Hydra dont interupt Prot spirit :0 LOL

Dec 08, 2006, 08:51 PM // 20:51	#20
DeathandtheHealing Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Guild: In a PVE GUILD YAY! :P Profession: Me/Mo	well ya you are attacking me, the only time I would "hide" is only for the 2 factions missions. I've never done that before, okay so shut up about it. I've been going around elona with only heroes+henchies and playing fine. It's just that mission is a huge pain in the ass because the other team you get is always some moron that dies rite away. Ya and i'm pretty tired of this Sentimental Crap.... I dont really care if I get a "sense of accomplishment" its a fricken game. Last edited by DeathandtheHealing; Dec 08, 2006 at 08:54 PM // 20:54..